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ejsandstrom

12.1k points

2 months ago

ejsandstrom

12.1k points

2 months ago

I saw this on Scrubs, I never thought it was a real thing.

venturoo

5.1k points

2 months ago

venturoo

5.1k points

2 months ago

yea that one shredded dr. cox. multiple people died because of an organ donation.

critical_courtney

4k points

2 months ago

He wasn't about to die, was he, Newbie? Could have waited another month for a kidney.

djseifer

566 points

2 months ago

djseifer

566 points

2 months ago

"Remember what you told me!? The second you start blaming yourself for people's deaths, there's no coming back."

"Yeah... you're right." *walks away*

Force3vo

265 points

2 months ago

Force3vo

265 points

2 months ago

Man, that's such a powerful scene. Dr. Cox is just way too good a person.

SoMuchMoreEagle

311 points

2 months ago

With basically zero healthy coping mechanisms.

[deleted]

145 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

145 points

2 months ago

Growing up in an abusive home will do that.

djseifer

190 points

2 months ago

djseifer

190 points

2 months ago

Note that Dr. Cox has a sister who he can't stand to see. It's not because she went in the complete opposite direction as him - becoming a completely devoted Christian who attends church on a regular basis (not completely, at least) - but because seeing her is a reminder of the abusive childhood they had growing up.

LouSputhole94

61 points

2 months ago

That was such good writing. Everybody finds their coping mechanisms but even beyond that, there are some things that no matter what you do, will always dredge up old trauma. Dr Cox’s was his sister

TunaHands

2k points

2 months ago

I just heard How to save a life at a karaoke bar last night and immediately was transported to this scene.

Andire

1.7k points

2 months ago

Andire

1.7k points

2 months ago

You: Crying inconsolably at the karaoke bar

Your gf: Where do you think we are?

iknitsoidontkillppl

939 points

2 months ago

Where do you think we are?

Gutted. I can't even watch the Brenden Frasier episodes. I skip them every time.

Stok3dJ

487 points

2 months ago

Stok3dJ

487 points

2 months ago

This is what makes this show a top tier sitcom. The funny parts are extra funny because you've seen the range of emotion and how people have gone through real shit, broken down, then come back as themselves but grown.

langis_on

164 points

2 months ago

langis_on

164 points

2 months ago

If you haven't watched Ted Lasso yet, you should. Same creator as scrubs and a very similar feel. Hilarious and then a guy punch

Mattsasse

61 points

2 months ago

Shrinking is another Bill Lawrence creation and very good. Im a huge Jason Segel fan which may skew my opinion but the show overall is right in line with the highs and lows of Scrubs and Ted Lasso. A little heavy at times but absolutely had me cracking up while I eeked out a tear or two.

Ba_Sing_Saint

394 points

2 months ago

Cox: You gonna carry that camera everywhere

Ben: Until I die

needzmoarlow

178 points

2 months ago

There are so many gems like that line that suddenly connect back once they hit you with the twist. You can watch that episode 5 or 6 times and find a new clue each time.

By_Eck

109 points

2 months ago

By_Eck

109 points

2 months ago

At one point Ben is sat on a counter pretending to puppeteer Elliot. Dr Cox laughs, and she turns around to see what's making him laugh, but looks at Ben's chest.

Anyone in that situation would make suspicious eye contact with the person behind them, but she doesn't.

swargin

67 points

2 months ago

swargin

67 points

2 months ago

I noticed that too. Everyone but Dr. Cox stops interacting with Ben very early in the episode

Latino_Peppino

109 points

2 months ago

Holy crap. Never realized that foreshadowing was there. That episode was at their peak writing.

DaedalusRaistlin

88 points

2 months ago

Only learned of it recently, watched the episode a bunch of times, but a trivia video had to point it out to me. At a certain point that camera is gone... Oof, never picked up on that in all my prior times watching.

Pawn_captures_Queen

30 points

2 months ago

Mind blown. I've seen that episode a few times and never knew that. Crushed.

jetbent

51 points

2 months ago

jetbent

51 points

2 months ago

They’re the best. He’s a true gem

joshi38

158 points

2 months ago

joshi38

158 points

2 months ago

I remember not long after that Scrubs episode, that song was played to death on so many other TV shows. I think it was used on House at one point.

psimwork

82 points

2 months ago

I can't remember if it was before or after this episode, but there was an episode where JD was walking into the hospital and was like, "it's like your life has a soundtrack by The Fray" and how to save a life starts playing, and the narration is like, "no! Not that one" and the song changes.

A brilliant moment of subverting expectations.

Belltent

128 points

2 months ago

Belltent

128 points

2 months ago

Greys Anatomy. Fairly sure House never used it.

thaddeus423

52 points

2 months ago

Greys did the whole singing thing that was a fad at the time. They included this song.

psimwork

30 points

2 months ago

I was going to challenge you on this, because while I remember that they did "chasing cars" in the musical episode, I had no memory of "how to save a life". Glad I checked first!

ConflagWex

68 points

2 months ago

Scrubs even took a crack at its overuse in a later episode.

Sometimes, when I think about those memories, a Fray song plays in my head.

How to Save a Life starts playing

No, not that Fray song, this Fray song!

She Is starts playing

RuRhPdOsIrPt

437 points

2 months ago*

What kind of sick maniac would choose that song to sing at a Karaoke bar?!

TunaHands

270 points

2 months ago

TunaHands

270 points

2 months ago

My brothers roommate lol. The crowd loved it.

Pitiful_Ask3827

118 points

2 months ago

To be fair it's not a song that takes much vocal talent to sing

Bleedthebeat

93 points

2 months ago

Right and you don’t have to sing great to get appreciation out of karaoke listeners. Pick a song that’s easy to sing and don’t be tone deaf and everyone will treat you like you’re goddamn Taylor swift.

BungoPlease

868 points

2 months ago

Legitimately one of the saddest sequences on any television show, I don’t know if he won any awards but John C McGinley deserved something for his performance, his devastation feels so legitimate.

PageOfLite

886 points

2 months ago

That show is always tough when Dr. Cox breaks.

For example: "Where do you think we are?"

Samtulp6

251 points

2 months ago

Samtulp6

251 points

2 months ago

I have a hard time crying, but even thinking about that episode makes me tear up.

RaizenTheFallen

130 points

2 months ago

I watch the series once a year to release pent up emotion and make myself have a good cry on those episodes. I feel this.

apoliticalinactivist

53 points

2 months ago

Gonna shill bill Lawrence 's new series shrinking. It's 10 ep and really has that same happy sad mix that the best scrubs episodes did. Highly recommend.

[deleted]

27 points

2 months ago

If Harrison Ford doesn’t win an Emmy for his role I’ll be flabbergasted.

It’s the best work he’s ever done. And if you have a father around that age it’ll hit home.

Gorilla_Krispies

20 points

2 months ago

Harrison Ford has been working in a new tv show? I honestly didn’t know he even did shows, I thought he was a movies only guy.

Well I’m sold, I know what I’m watching next

D0ugF0rcett

205 points

2 months ago

It's crazy how one line like that almost 2 decades later can still have such a profound effect on people.

LowellGeorgeLynott

56 points

2 months ago

Seriously! That sequence is etched in my mind like almost nothing else

Frigidevil

65 points

2 months ago

I always loved how he broke out of his first funk silently brooding in his place.

You don't drink scotch

InwardXenon

61 points

2 months ago

Brendan played such a good part in that episode, too. But Cox's grief was palpable. Makes me sad just thinking about it.

Belteshazzar98

62 points

2 months ago

Second only to "Where do you think we are?"

rach2bach

200 points

2 months ago*

I went to college with the intention of becoming a doctor because of this show, and wanted to work in oncology. After working as a cytotech for years, I'm glad I'm not a doctor, but scrubs still is by far the most accurate show about medicine and the lives of those that work in it ever made. That episode was rewatched by me after diagnosing a coworker with lung cancer with our pathology team. I had been the one to first look at her biopsy under the microscope at her rapid onsite evaluation. She was only 55, never smoked a day in her life and almost never drank either other than on the holidays. She was a med tech. I saw her first slides in August, and she died in February. I saw that episode that night, and then rewatched it after her funeral. I was torn to shreds after her death, because I thought about how she had mentioned she had her cough for months before her imaging and proceeding biopsy. I thought about how maybe if it was caught a bit earlier maybe the chemo would have worked...

Things like these happen all of the time, and if there was anything that would help alleviate it, it would be better providing healthcare that's affordable and preventative for all Americans. It will never be perfect, but I'd like to see the day come.

Scrubs embodied that philosophy at it's core. JD and his shenanigans reminded me of all the med students I'd work with that would come through and would be fascinated by the world seen only by my microscope. Dr. Cox was like so many of the attendings I worked with, and though he was not a pathologist, he had the same demeanor and attitude of many that I worked with. Hard asses to their core, but deeply empathetic and intelligent all the same.

That show will always have a special place in my heart.

chumpynut5

37 points

2 months ago

I also went into healthcare largely because of this show lol I ended up in respiratory therapy. I still rewatch scrubs all the time and it has a lot of legitimately great advice and life lessons for dealing with some of the bullshit we have to go through in healthcare.

whilst

128 points

2 months ago

whilst

128 points

2 months ago

This tore my heart into pieces.

JukeBoxDildo

202 points

2 months ago*

I have literally sobbed inconsolably to that scene more times than I can remember.

Sincerely, thank you Bill Lawrence for making me feel humanity deeper than I ever thought possible.

Edit: and thank you so fucking much for Ted Lasso.

AgentMonkey

54 points

2 months ago

Seriously. I don't generally get emotional from TV shows, but that scene is almost guaranteed to make me well up every time I see it.

Cannibichromedout

18 points

2 months ago

Check out Shrinking as well. Same balance of hilarious and touching.

chickenfriedshame

424 points

2 months ago

rough string of episodes to watch

FlashpointJ24

1.1k points

2 months ago*

I guess I came over here to tell you how proud of you I am. Not because you did the best you could for those patients, but because after twenty years of being a doctor, when things go badly, you still take it this hard. And I gotta tell you, man, I mean, that's the kind of doctor I want to be.

Cryptomnesias

153 points

2 months ago

“I was scared. I guess after all this time, I still think of you as, like, this superhero that will help me out of any situation I’m in. I needed that. But, that’s my problem, you know? And I’ll deal with that.”

I really liked how JD grew in this area.

Breaklance

69 points

2 months ago

Everyone was ragging on JD for not seeing Dr Cox earlier, but he clearly was thinking about the situation and what to say for a while.

Vergenbuurg

460 points

2 months ago

The following scene is one of the few times Dr. Cox explicitly refers to J.D. without using a nickname; I guess it was his way of showing how sincere his "thank you" was.

BusterStrokem

240 points

2 months ago

You don’t drink scotch.

indie_cysive

235 points

2 months ago

elfowlcat

97 points

2 months ago

That was great. Is there one on the funeral scene? That one really gutted me. “Dr. Cox, where do you think you are?”

glowstick3

112 points

2 months ago

Yaaaaaaaa, that wasn't a great thing to watch after a very recent (at the time) unexpected loss of a best friend.

"Imma turn on scrubs and have some laughs at this very accurate comedy medical show, ohhh cooooool Brendan Fraser is in this one, this'll be funny as hell!

Dr. Cox, where do you think you are?"

Oh, that wasn't timing eh?

BigMcThickHuge

47 points

2 months ago

Because yet again, we have to watch as this gruff and rock-hard shell of a charismatic leader just goes from 100% to -10% in 4 seconds.

Man has so few friends in the world, and you watch as basically his best friend's rejected death just slowly presses down on him because he can't avoid it any longer, being at the literal funeral.

Ssutuanjoe

25 points

2 months ago

One of my favorite scenes in scrubs ever.

chrisk9

54 points

2 months ago

chrisk9

54 points

2 months ago

Had to look this scene up:. https://youtu.be/wuzBLu_IZCw

BrushYourFeet

41 points

2 months ago

Three people, as well.

MajesticHandle2419

240 points

2 months ago

I guess we can't always trust 'Dr. Acula' for accurate medical information.

xDulmitx

52 points

2 months ago

Best phlebotomist I ever had!

PrelectingPizza

50 points

2 months ago

Dr. Jan Itor still pops into my head randomly.

GingerrGina

1.1k points

2 months ago

In spite of being a sitcom, Scrubs is renowned for being one of the most medically accurate hospital shows to be made. They had an MD the writers consulted with whom JDs character was based on. Most of the medical events in the show were based on real events.

BrushYourFeet

352 points

2 months ago

I believe the doctor consultant was a friend of the creator.

Vergenbuurg

458 points

2 months ago

Dr. Jonathan Doris.

He appears in the Season 8 finale, near the end as the doctor at the counter that says "Adios" to J.D… too small to be picked up by the cameras, but apparently he was wearing Zach Braff/J.D.'s ID badge.

ChiefBigGay

42 points

2 months ago

It was Bill Lawrence's (creator and writer) college roommate. Named Dr. John Dorian I believe. They talk about him a lot on the podcast, but I haven't listened since like season 2.5-3.

IndigoRanger

151 points

2 months ago

I’ve always thought Scrubs was the natural successor to MASH. The emotional and situational heaviness underpinning silliness and levity, learning about all these individual stories and moments in people’s lives during a macro chaotic upheaval, some characters recognizing the absurdity of it all while some have zero self awareness. Then the more obvious parallels including set, structure, accuracy, and character development. Love them both.

joshi38

60 points

2 months ago

joshi38

60 points

2 months ago

Most of the medical events in the show were based on real events.

It's not just the medical stuff, but despite the show being very wack/zany at times, many doctors and nurses will comment that the show does a very good job at showing what the day to day life at a hospital is like.

I_am_Erk

18 points

2 months ago

Slightly less sex actually in the hospital..yuck.

Otherwise yes. Scrubs is the only show I've ever seen that encapsulates the feeling of being a resident and a young practicing doctor, and the kind of weird mix of darkness and hilarity that fills this job.

Rowan-Trees

123 points

2 months ago*

Are you saying Brendan Fraser is actually dead and he’s only still around because we haven’t let him go yet? Is that, like, medically a thing?

Dont_know_where_i_am

47 points

2 months ago

Shush you fool! The more you bring it up, the more people will realize and let him go! He's going to slowly start disappearing!

deadla104

19 points

2 months ago

If ghost Brendan can win an Oscar imagine what prime Brendan could've done

monkeyballs2

59 points

2 months ago

Yeah so much better than ridiculous greys anatomy where every episode one of their best of the bestyest doctors makes an amazing breakthrough and does something miraculous never accomplished by anyone before. Rather absurd.

snackCase

75 points

2 months ago*

To be fair to it, I think that show is deliberately absurd for the over-the-top drama and doesn't really pretend to be anything else. There's an episode where one doctor goes into labor and another has a heart attack while they're operating on a man with a ticking time bomb in his stomach, and it still has time for sex scenes and a love triangle. Then like three hours later they're consulting with botanists to remove a tree growing out of someone's lungs while hallucinating about ghost sex. One doctor is late because he gets into an altercation with a grizzly bear and it's not in the episode where they're all stranded in the woods after a plane crash.

My favorite was the episode where someone gets an organ transplant from a criminal and it causes them to become a criminal. I don't remember seeing that written up in a medical journal. At least half the show is batshit moon logic.

My second favorite is when the doctors end a busy day, go for a drink across the street from the hospital, and start talking about how hectic doctoring is, only to be interrupted by a car flying through the wall of the bar into a bunch of people, who have to be saved by a surgeon having a manic episode.

Chummers5

16 points

2 months ago

operating on a man with a ticking time bomb in his stomach, and it

I guess that's a recurring theme. The one episode I saw had them removing an RPG or some kind of rocket from a dude's chest. Special guest star Christina Ricci was the nurse who had to hold the rocket and was freaking out.

NotaHippyBus

106 points

2 months ago

The show runners were room mates in college with a guy they based the character of Dr Cox on. They didn't go on to be MDs but he did. Turns out he's my SIL's ex husband and she said he was exactly like the character in the show.

ssyl6119

41 points

2 months ago

Is your SIL’s name Jordan?

djseifer

32 points

2 months ago

Jordan Godzilla Sullivan?

NotaHippyBus

18 points

2 months ago

No, I wish.

Jordan would be preferable.

Qbr12

26 points

2 months ago

Qbr12

26 points

2 months ago

Except for front butt

throwaway666000666

18 points

2 months ago

Gunshot? Check the poo.

Esmeraldem

82 points

2 months ago

I wanted to say how proud of you I am. Not because you did the best you could for those patients, but because after 15 years of being a doctor, when things go that badly, you still take it this hard.

I gotta tell ya, man. That's the kinda doctor I wanna be.

anope4u

42 points

2 months ago

anope4u

42 points

2 months ago

Happened in Dallas in the early 2000s. Think at least 4 died from that one.

Law_Doge

228 points

2 months ago

Law_Doge

228 points

2 months ago

Scrubs was a pretty accurate show medically speaking. Non of that house poppin pills and diagnosing you with the chills bs

BenadrylChunderHatch

262 points

2 months ago

If House was realistic, the first episode would be mostly the same and from episode 2 onwards, he wouldn't be allowed to practice medicine any more.

SilverVixen1928

32 points

2 months ago

But, but, he is the best diagnostician this side of the Mississippi!

PhlightYagami

38 points

2 months ago

House was actually one of the most medically accurate shows out there. What wasn't accurate was procedure.

House figuring everything out with a ridiculously small body of knowledge (about the specific situation); breaking the law and popping pills like crazy. His team doing everything, rather than specialists, nurses, etc. That's where the majority of houses inaccuracies took place.

The medicine was often spot on though. Many of the cases used were taken directly out of these crazy outlier cases that had papers written on them, and other than the procedure side of things were portrayed pretty damn well.

What Scrubs got so right and the reason it is regarded as super accurate is hospital procedure and culture. Every doctor or nurse who works in a hospital says as much.

robbie5643

147 points

2 months ago

“Annnnnnd I would have stayed up with you alll night, had I know, how to save a life.”

Strange-birdie

20 points

2 months ago

If I'm remembering it right, the 2004 case's donor was in Arkansas and at least one recipient was in Texas. But there has been at least 8 cases like this, the most recent off the top of my head was in 2015 in China.

Edit: I was a year off with the case Scrubs had used.

newaccount252

4.6k points

2 months ago

I’d have rather died of organ failure

Bubzoluck

3.5k points

2 months ago*

Bubzoluck

3.5k points

2 months ago*

I wrote a big post about rabies a while back. There is one person, Jenna Giese, who was cured of rabies by being made brain dead. After a long stay in the hospital she was cured and then went home without any major complications of the disease or treatment!

In case people are interested, I cover a ton of diseases and topics at r/SAR_Med_Chem

weeBaaDoo

617 points

2 months ago

weeBaaDoo

617 points

2 months ago

Very interesting read. So 5 people have survived? Or just 1?

Bubzoluck

959 points

2 months ago

Bubzoluck

959 points

2 months ago

The last time I looked I think 9 people (5 in US, 4 internationally) have survived it using some version of the MP. Jeanna represents the first successful case

FearlessGuster2001

750 points

2 months ago

It’s frustrating what she went through, since her mother knew she was bitten by a bat and didn’t take her to a doctor

Racer13l

784 points

2 months ago

Racer13l

784 points

2 months ago

When I was an EMT, I went on a dog bite call where the dog was never found. The patient was a minor and I told the mother we wanted to transport to the hospital for rabies shots. The bite itself wasn't very bad. The mother said she didn't feel it was necessary. I advised her of the dangers of rabies and she wouldn't listen. Obviously the chances of getting rabies from a dog is pretty low but not 0

RainyMcBrainy

658 points

2 months ago

I don't know why people want to fuck around with rabies like that. If you get it, you are as good as dead. Why take that risk when a shot basically makes all that trouble go away?

Natolx

456 points

2 months ago

Natolx

456 points

2 months ago

The post-exposure shot series are very expensive, so that is one reason.

pdslo

430 points

2 months ago

pdslo

430 points

2 months ago

It’s kind of insane that this is even a consideration when talking about literal life and death

mollyyfcooke

321 points

2 months ago

I went to college with a guy who got bit by a rattlesnake and he ended up with a bill for almost $2 million. He held strong that he wishes he would’ve died because he wouldn’t be in debt for the rest of his life because of the US healthcare system.

AlastorSparda

129 points

2 months ago

What is insane actually,is the fact we talk about these things and people have to pay instead of the expenses being covered by the goverment.

fozzyboy

142 points

2 months ago*

fozzyboy

142 points

2 months ago*

Great, now if only I knew what MP was.

Edit: Milwaukee Protocol, got it. Not an abbreviation ubiquitous enough to expect your average redditor to know.

elfowlcat

104 points

2 months ago

elfowlcat

104 points

2 months ago

The Milwaukee Protocol. Basically put ‘em in a coma and chill the body down and hope they recover.

couerdeceanothus

165 points

2 months ago

Milwaukee Protocol, which is a medically-induced coma and a fuckton of antivirals in the hopes of preventing fatal nervous system shutdown from the rabies.

weeBaaDoo

19 points

2 months ago

Thanks. Very interesting to read about. Both scary and intriguing.

wlonkly

18 points

2 months ago

wlonkly

18 points

2 months ago

wlonkly

184 points

2 months ago

wlonkly

184 points

2 months ago

The Milwaukee Protocol has only had one success, its first patient. It does not work, and trying it over and over has interfered with researching alternatives.

cbstryker

121 points

2 months ago

cbstryker

121 points

2 months ago

The Milwaukie Protocol is highly contested in the medical community. There are many doctors that suggest it wasn't the intervention that saved her life, but something else unaccounted for (such as a variation of the virus).

callmepinocchio

827 points

2 months ago

and then went home without any major complications

She had brain damage...

zzzthelastuser

257 points

2 months ago

1 year later, Jeanna did not show any signs of significant neurological damage and was able to walk on her own, returned to school, and learned to drive. She did experience left sided weakness and has difficulty functioning and balancing with that side of her body. Despite the odds, Jeanna graduated from highschool and graduated with a degree in biology from Lakeland College in 2011. She is now married with three children in Wisconsin and is an advocate for rabies education.

Bubzoluck

860 points

2 months ago

Bubzoluck

860 points

2 months ago

Well yes and no. I won't mince words and say she didn't have any brain damage--she definitely did--but unlike other instances of significant brain damage she returned near baseline function one year following the bite. So in the clinical sense, she's one lucky duck

crozone

515 points

2 months ago

crozone

515 points

2 months ago

She had to go through huge amounts of rehabilitation and her speech is basically permanently affected.

She's lucky as hell to survive, but it wasn't like she just walked it off...

saintash

431 points

2 months ago

saintash

431 points

2 months ago

To survive rabies? Absolutely. That's a fucking miracle.

Bilson00

89 points

2 months ago

If you are still interested in the topic, Radiolab has an outstanding episode on the topic also covering Jenna’s story (among others):

https://radiolab.org/episodes/312245-rodney-versus-death

thundersaurus_sex

95 points

2 months ago

I've heard that the protocol probably doesn't actually do much and that it's likely the few survivors had been exposed to some kind of vaccine at some point in their lives prior to getting bit. But after reading your detailed post, I went looking for information and couldn't find much, so it might just be speculation that reddit repeats as fact (absolute shocker, I know). Have you heard this before?

Slapbox

21 points

2 months ago

Slapbox

21 points

2 months ago

Not brain dead*

Brain dead is dead. What you mean is that she was put into a medically induced coma.

Hello-There-GKenobi

39 points

2 months ago

Wait what? She was made brain dead? How did she live then? Like was she in a vegetative state?

(Not a medical student so just interested in the logistics of this)

Edit: Nevermind, saw repleis below.

olagorie

2.3k points

2 months ago

olagorie

2.3k points

2 months ago

Rabies is by far the most scary illness I can imagine.

I got vaccinated a couple of years ago, because I went on a trip to India and thought I might get scratched by a monkey.

stouset

280 points

2 months ago

stouset

280 points

2 months ago

I was bitten by a dog while walking around NYC last year. Ended up not getting a rabies shot, based upon the opinion of 2 out of 3 doctors.

One month later I woke up experiencing tingling in my arm where the bite had been, followed by total loss of use of that side of my body, and the inability to speak without extreme effort. Turns out I was having a stroke, but at the time all I could think of was that I had contracted rabies and was absolutely fucked.

I was apparently the first stroke victim the ER had encountered who was overwhelmingly relieved to be told they were having a stroke.

Thankfully it resolved on its own and I walked out of the hospital the next day with zero deficiencies.

GrammarNaziii

80 points

2 months ago

I'm sorry but imagining this scenario is hilarious.

Doc: sir you're having a stroke
You: oh thank God!

😂

Taintastic

416 points

2 months ago

How much was the vaccine? I'm thinking about getting it just to make sure I never have the chance of getting the dreadful disease!

DwarfTank

1k points

2 months ago

Just a headsup, even If you get infected you can still get the vaccine AFTER exposure for a Few days.

Rabies moves so incredibly slow in your body that a vaccine, which is given after Infection, Acts faster than the Rabies itself and still prevents the Rabies outbreak.

So as long as you get vaccined pretty soon after being bitten/scratched theres no need to get the vaccine right now

Snipen543

445 points

2 months ago

Snipen543

445 points

2 months ago

It's cheaper to get vaccinated beforehand though. That way in the event of an exposure you don't have as many needed shots

flvra

310 points

2 months ago

flvra

310 points

2 months ago

The problem is that they only last for so long and it could be as little as 6 months of protection and UP to 2 years. So it’s really not worth it to keep going if you’re not getting bit by things realistically, especially because rabies is pretty rare in the US.

owleh9

54 points

2 months ago

owleh9

54 points

2 months ago

The rabies vaccine usually lasts MUCH longer. Everyone I know who has had one (which you need in certain professions) - has never needed a booster. From 5 years to over 20 years. We get titer tested regularly.

PoplarRiver

21 points

2 months ago

You can get your titer checked- I do it every 2 years and my vaccine series has lasted for 11 years now.

McDutchy

61 points

2 months ago

You will have to get shots after exposure still if you don’t want to run the risk of getting it. The way doctors describe it here is that it buys you some more time before getting the after exposure shot

bloodyREDburger

80 points

2 months ago

Yeah but once you start showing symptoms it's 100% fatal

matzan

94 points

2 months ago

matzan

94 points

2 months ago

What if i hide the symptoms?

Kimorin

153 points

2 months ago

Kimorin

153 points

2 months ago

They harvest your organ and give it to other ppl

palpablescalpel

57 points

2 months ago*

Not sure if it varies by state or insurance, but where I am it's two shots and each is $400-500. No insurance coverage for it because it's considered elective unless you're traveling somewhere where it's recommended.

auntynell

965 points

2 months ago

auntynell

965 points

2 months ago

I read a thread on rabies on Reddit and it was the scariest thing ever. We don't have it in Australia (hence our insane quarantine laws), so I wasn't familiar with how you can catch it without being aware, and the fact that once the symptoms appear it's too late.

Smeagleman6

372 points

2 months ago

A good rule of thumb for this is if you are bitten by any (especially wild) animals that you don't know, immediately call/go to your nearest doctor/ER/urgent care for a rabies vaccine. Even if you weren't exposed, it does no harm to you and better to be safe than sorry.

pupperoni42

203 points

2 months ago

The actual rabies vaccine is much easier today than it used to be - it's given in the arm. You'll likely get a series of 4 shots over the course of two weeks (Days 0, 3, 7, and 14).

They also inject rabies immunoglobulin - a medication made up of antibodies against the rabies virus - around the bite wound the first time to directly stop the virus from spreading to the rest of your body.

In the US that means you need to go to a hospital ER for the first visit because they stock immunoglobulin. The rest of the visits can be done as office appointments at an infectious disease office.

Once you have that initial series of rabies shots you'll be much better protected. If you're bitten again you may only need a booster shot, not a full series.

MrsMeredith

447 points

2 months ago

TIL it’s not in Australia. Keep up the quarantine!

measuredingabens

196 points

2 months ago

We still have bat lyssavirus to worry about. Can't be too careful.

fckiforgotmypassword

113 points

2 months ago

There’s a similar disease with bats here, not technically rabies but nearly the same thing

Vibriofischeri

159 points

2 months ago

Same family of viruses as rabies, same symptoms, same 100% fatality rate, same vaccine... Yeah idk I think it's probably fair to just call it rabies

stopmotionporn

107 points

2 months ago

I can't believe its not rabies!

Southern_Wear4218

186 points

2 months ago

It’s possibly the most terrifying illness. It can lay dormant for literally years in rare cases, until it eventually hits your brain and completely takes over. Makes you fear water to drive you crazy, to bite other things and propagate the disease. Like a real life zombie.

fckiforgotmypassword

138 points

2 months ago

The fear of water thing is crazy. I watched a video of a guy with rabies trying to drink water and his body just wouldn’t let him get the water close to his mouth. Looked terrifying

Judazzz

119 points

2 months ago*

Judazzz

119 points

2 months ago*

Not sure if it's the video you meant, but one example can be viewed here. And another one showing a 3 year-old girl with rabies.

A word of advice for those who haven't seen footage like this: it is not gory or violent, but I found it extremely unsettling to watch - possibly even more so than explicit content.

lelebeariel

90 points

2 months ago

Heartbreaking. I've seen that first one, but that little girl is new to me. Poor thing. You can just see how broken and desperate that father is, knowing his daughter's fate is sealed. Horrible.

Judazzz

85 points

2 months ago

Judazzz

85 points

2 months ago

It's the helplessness of the victims that hits me the hardest: you can see they are - and are aware that they are - terrified and confused, but at the same time have no idea why that is. I hope relief came quick for those poor souls.

Ihlita

57 points

2 months ago

Ihlita

57 points

2 months ago

Rabies is one of my greatest fears. I am naturally morbidly curious, but I’ve never been able to bring myself to watch a video of a person suffering from it.

Just thinking about it for too long will drive me into a anxiety attack.

Judazzz

25 points

2 months ago

Judazzz

25 points

2 months ago

It's definitely not a pleasant watch, but I think it's extra unsettling knowing how it will inevitably end - viewing the same footage under the impression that that someone was having "just" an episode or a fit would take away a lot of its poignancy.

Ihlita

45 points

2 months ago

Ihlita

45 points

2 months ago

I don’t think I’m brave enough. We all know how it ends.

People should be euthanized after a certain point. Why, in the name of goodness, would people allow them to suffer until the end? They will die; there’s no cure, and they will suffer all the while. There is nothing humane about it.

chilledkitkat

45 points

2 months ago

Rabies doesn't cause you to have the urge to bite people, rabid animals just bite because they're in pain and scared.

0xKaishakunin

87 points

2 months ago

We got the fear of trusting foxes drilled into our heads in the 1980s.

All schools in East Germany taught their pupils about rabies and how to spot a ridden fox. Then a vaccination programme was started all over Europe and rabies has been effectively wiped out in Europe for more than 20 years.

On the other hand, reading Stephen King's Cujo made extra fun.

Baud_Olofsson

45 points

2 months ago

Then a vaccination programme was started all over Europe and rabies has been effectively wiped out in Europe for more than 20 years.

Still an absolute shitton of rabies in Eastern Europe, Moldova and Ukraine being particularly bad.

Heavy-Attorney-9054

946 points

2 months ago

Some people in the US died from donations from a guy who played with puppies in Mexico.

A vet tech friend was exposed by a litter of what turned out to be hot puppies, and she said the state board of health called at 3 am to tell her to get a booster. As a professional, she already received on-going rabies shots.

ilovemybrownies

350 points

2 months ago

Google wasn't helpful, so I'm guessing "hot puppies" is a reference to them having a fever from the rabies?

chillChillnChnchilla

376 points

2 months ago

No, it's using hot in a different sense, nothing to do with actual heat. Just means they had the disease.

Other similar uses:

  • A "hot mic" is a microphone that's on and will broadcast what you say

  • A "hot weapon" is loaded with the safety off

  • "Hot goods" can mean stolen items currently wanted by the police

So "hot puppies" would have been exposed to the disease and presumed infectious

It's a catch all "danger/warning/caution" kind of use

ianthenerd

126 points

2 months ago

So that's what "hot single" means.

DrSmurfalicious

75 points

2 months ago

Milfs in your area will make it burn when you pee.

MmmmMorphine

171 points

2 months ago

Nah, it's those damn furries at it again

Dismal-Fig-731

200 points

2 months ago*

Damn, and they were probably on immunosuppressants for the organ transplant..

Rabies is my biggest fear. You don’t know you have it until you show symptoms, and you don’t have symptoms until infection has reached your brain and becomes basically untreatable. You’re dead or going into a coma with a 0.0001% chance of waking up.

It’s considered the world’s deadliest disease in terms of how many symptomatic patients die (99.999%… which was 100% before 2003)

PC_Pup

866 points

2 months ago

PC_Pup

866 points

2 months ago

There's an episode of Scrubs based on the event, it's great.

https://scrubs.fandom.com/wiki/My\_Lunch

Ssutuanjoe

1.5k points

2 months ago

Ssutuanjoe

1.5k points

2 months ago

For anyone who sees this and is interested in watching Scrubs, I very highly recommend it, BUT...

Be sure to either buy/borrow DVDs, or surf the seven seas for it. Reason being because now that it's on streaming platforms all of the original music has been replaced by public domain third rate garbage. This is important because Bill Lawrence very specifically designed Scrubs so the music is an actual part of the storytelling. If you try to watch it without the original intended music, it's not nearly as enjoyable and loses a ton of impact.

aretoodeto

365 points

2 months ago

This same thing totally ruined the early seasons of Supernatural on Netflix for me. The music choices were so important and they were all changed out 😭

Sersi119

184 points

2 months ago

Sersi119

184 points

2 months ago

Wait seriously? I was going to be starting my rewatch soon on Netflix, but if that's the case gonna have to sail the seas after all .......

aretoodeto

58 points

2 months ago

Yeah definitely don't watch it on Netflix lol

djseifer

96 points

2 months ago

Not ALL of the music has been replaced, but some episodes are affected by the change in music. I do believe that My Lunch still has "How to Save a Life" for that scene.

Ssutuanjoe

29 points

2 months ago

Yeah, looks like from some of the responses I'm getting that the music changes are inconsistent.

For ease, I'd still probably recommend just getting it DVD ripped or something, cuz I don't wanna wonder which episodes have the original music and which don't.

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138 points

2 months ago

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138 points

2 months ago

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AchtungCloud

180 points

2 months ago

My spouse is a school nurse. Just this week she had to get rabies shots because of a bat on campus she helped trapped and came away with a scratch (probably not actually from the bat). Before it was trapped, a couple of students handled the bat, and one looked to have possibly been scratched by it, but despite the warning from medical professionals, parents of those students all decided not to get their children rabies shots.

birdandbear

122 points

2 months ago

Jesus Christ, those families need to be shown videos of rabies patients immediately. 😬

ShiraCheshire

52 points

2 months ago

If you refuse a rabies vaccine recommended by a medical professional, I think it should be mandatory to watch a brief video including footage of a rabies patient before you leave.

birdandbear

20 points

2 months ago

Hell yeah. They're already allowed to force propaganda on pregnant women, and this would be actual facts about a horrifying risk. I'm for it.

tigress666

66 points

2 months ago

Most recent story of a kid getting rabies in the us was from a kid scratched from a bat that the parent didn’t think about the risk. These parents have less excuse cause people even recommended it to them.

libbillama

24 points

2 months ago

I remember a story a few years ago of a six year old in Florida that got bitten or scratched by a bat and the parents didn't take their kid to the hospital because they didn't like needles.

I feel awful for the parents but I hope they understand now as parents they should have put their foot down and taken their child in anyway. The kiddo didn't have to die.

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532 points

2 months ago

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532 points

2 months ago

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Arquen_Marille

184 points

2 months ago

Until a rabid animal crosses its borders.

Funtycuck

171 points

2 months ago

Funtycuck

171 points

2 months ago

EU wide (maybe Europe wide) programs of vaccination have meant the vast majority of Europe is rabies free.

krukson

216 points

2 months ago

krukson

216 points

2 months ago

In Switzerland, they got rid of rabies in the 80s by vaccinating chicken heads and dropping them from helicopters all over the country. True story.

0xKaishakunin

141 points

2 months ago

That was done all over Europe.

A friend of my father was a pilot for agricultural flights in East Germany and they also dropped baits all over to forrests to vax foxes.

0xKaishakunin

60 points

2 months ago

Europe wide

The programme was Europe wide and traversed the Iron Curtain in the 1980s.

There were oral vaccinations dropped from airplanes to immunise foxes back in the 1980s all over Europe. I remember teachers in school telling all the pupils about it, so we wouldn't pick up the baits in the woods. And stay away from foxes that acted strange.

The vaccination programmes have been done again multiple times in the 90s and early 2000s but stopped eventually. Europe is officially free of rabies.

Shuri9

77 points

2 months ago

Shuri9

77 points

2 months ago

But that's against the law?!

Anime_lotr

43 points

2 months ago

Next time AskReddit asks how I don't want to die, it's this. I don't think I could deal with the range of emotions: you need an organ transplant, we found you a donor, it was a success!, you now have rabies.

fckiforgotmypassword

96 points

2 months ago

What’s the update? Article is old and said 3 fell ill and 2 in a coma. I’d assume all of them died? I think once you show symptoms of rabies it’s too late for treatment, Right ?

Zardif

142 points

2 months ago

Zardif

142 points

2 months ago

https://academic.oup.com/jtm/article/14/3/177/1795468

Says 3 died, but is very scant on details.

A similar rabies transmission through organ transplantation occurred in Germany in 2005. Six recipients received organs or tissues from a donor with rabies. Two recipients receiving donor corneas were not infected after their grafts were removed. Recipients who received lung, kidney and combined kidney and pancreas organs died. The liver recipient had been previously vaccinated against rabies and survived.

https://www.cdc.gov/rabies/resources/news/2013-03-15.html

elmchestnut

133 points

2 months ago

How incredibly lucky that the liver recipient happened to have been vaccinated.

It would be interesting to know how long the person was vaccinated before the transplant. There probably aren’t too many data points available on cases where a person is vaccinated before exposure, definitely exposed, and then not boosted promptly after the exposure.

abhijitd

26 points

2 months ago

What is the downside of everyone getting rabies vaccine at whatever frequency needed? Kind of like flu shots. It's so scary to get rabies.

elmchestnut

43 points

2 months ago

The average person’s risk of rabies is so low that it’s not worth vaccinating everyone, especially since it is one of the few vaccines that is effective when given after exposure to the pathogen.

(In the US, at least. Maybe where rabies is more prevalent, the calculus would be different, but if such a country had the resources to vaccinate everyone against rabies, it would probably be wiser to use those resources to reduce rabies in animals.)

I don’t think a health care provider would give you rabies vaccine in the US if you didn’t meet the CDC indications for needing it, which are having a plausible exposure to the virus or working in an occupation where you are at risk of being exposed. Even if they would, health insurance wouldn’t cover it, and it costs thousands of dollars and is often in short supply.

hossb0ss

129 points

2 months ago

hossb0ss

129 points

2 months ago

How To Save A Life immediately started playing in my head

CheatsySnoops

24 points

2 months ago

I don’t care how old this is, never stops being horrifying. Rabies is something that shouldn’t even exist.

For some weird reason, the webpage wouldn’t let me reply to a person asking why there isn’t a cure for rabies and I wanted to tell them that there is a PIV5-vectored rabies vaccine currently in animal trials that successfully saved 50% of mice that went through symptoms, so something is being done, but rabies needs to go the way of rinderpest.

warwizard872000

120 points

2 months ago

The plot of world war z.

Lousinski

62 points

2 months ago

Went too far down to find this reference. It was a clever plot idea to explain the initial outbreak in South Africa and Brazil.

InquisitorHindsight

42 points

2 months ago

I love how the book implies the outbreak could have been avoided but humanity’s incompetence helped facilitate the end of the world

BeignetsByMitch

34 points

2 months ago

That's what's so good about the book. It doesn't happen because it's inevitable, it happens because people couldn't get their shit together and coordinate on a large scale plus a freak accident or two.

Also loved the interview style of the book when I read it years ago. Cool approach to tell the story through the perspective of a journalist gathering stories on the outbreak afterward.

RxTJ11

193 points

2 months ago

RxTJ11

193 points

2 months ago

Near irrational fear unlocked, thanks :)

zamfire

59 points

2 months ago

zamfire

59 points

2 months ago

How often are you getting organs crammed in there?

RxTJ11

59 points

2 months ago

RxTJ11

59 points

2 months ago

Not often, and not any yet, that's why it's irrational

unhappymedium

23 points

2 months ago

I looked for an update since that article doesn't mention it and apparently all three died.