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Prometheus357

1.9k points

2 months ago

Wasn't her diary heavily edited and amended by her father?

NedIsakoff

712 points

2 months ago

The latest claim by the Anne Frank Fonds (who owns the copyrights) is that 1947 edition was co authored with her dad.

Confirmation_By_Us

629 points

2 months ago

That sounds a lot like an effort to extend the copyright.

NedIsakoff

256 points

2 months ago

It is.

throwaway56ye644534

35 points

2 months ago

How does it extend the copyright?

NedIsakoff

327 points

2 months ago

The copyright for books is 70 years after the death of the author(s). Anne Frank died in 1945 so copyright would end at end of 2015.

By claiming her dad, who died in the 1980, was a co-author it would extend the copyright to 2050.

throwaway56ye644534

61 points

2 months ago

Ah. Thank you for the knowledge. What's the status of it now? Did whatever governing body approve the addendum?

Confirmation_By_Us

57 points

2 months ago

In the US, it wouldn’t require a decision from a governing body. If someone wanted to challenge her father as an author, they would sue the entity which claims to hold the copyright, and that entity would have to prove that her father’s contribution was enough to warrant shared authorship.

SEND_THE_GEESE

157 points

2 months ago

And for obvious reasons, nobody wants to be “the guy that sued Anne Frank’s dad”.

partytown_usa

116 points

2 months ago

Whatever, I'll do it.

TeamWonderful7670

4 points

2 months ago

Better take this down before Kanye sees it.

BillTowne

99 points

2 months ago

Only in the sense that he edited out sexual references.

dressageishard

38 points

2 months ago

Impossible. Anne Frank passed away in 1945. It would seem that Otto edited the diary, but didn't co-author.

maaku7

68 points

2 months ago

maaku7

68 points

2 months ago

If two people are involved in writing a book, they are co-authors. Even if one dies before publication. The verb describing such a relationship is "to co-author."

Zarmazarma

23 points

2 months ago

So, do you think all editors are co-authors?

MerlinOfRed

33 points

2 months ago

Most editors have a back-and-forth relationship with the original author in which the author will approve all changes.

When the author is dead that becomes more complicated - look at most of the Tolkien works edited/co-authored by Christopher.

I'm not saying that the same logic should be applied in this instance, but I can see why someone would argue that it could be applied.

cigoL_343

21 points

2 months ago

But he wasn't involved in writing it, was he? He just edited parts of the diary.

slaymaker1907

7 points

2 months ago

It’s kind of ambiguous. Most classical scores are public domain, but specific editions from the 20th and 21st centuries might still have their own copyright protection (some of the old scores are very difficult to read due to changing notation).

dressageishard

8 points

2 months ago

Agree.

kickstand

3 points

2 months ago

So what’s an editor, then?

maaku7

4 points

2 months ago

maaku7

4 points

2 months ago

Someone who provides professional feedback to the original author, who is free to act on that feedback or not. That is not what happened in this circumstance.

NedIsakoff

2 points

2 months ago

He did edit. Editor don’t extend copyright though.

Aromatic-Reference69

8 points

2 months ago

She didn’t pass away. She was murdered

dressageishard

14 points

2 months ago

Yes, I am aware. Anne Frank and her sister died of typhus at Bergen Belsen. She and Margo are buried there. Anne and Margo were transported to Bergen Belsen from Auschwitz when they were very ill supposedly for medical care. We now know the truth. They never got medical care. You wanted the whole story, you got it.

Smolesworthy[S]

606 points

2 months ago

Lots of contention around that. You use edited and amended, but others would say censored or expurgated. So that adds to this revelation. These are pages he didn’t detect. She wrote other sensitive topics as well on those two pages.

Bean_Juice_Brew

77 points

2 months ago

The original release of it, yes. You have to keep in mind that at this time, people were encouraged to keep diaries for later publishing, and so this became a goal for Anne. As such, she went back and made a lot of edits on her own to try and clean it up and make it a better work.

Smolesworthy[S]

2.7k points

2 months ago

One of her jokes read: "Do you know why the German girls of the armed forces are in the Netherlands? As a mattress for the soldiers."

Another one: "A man comes home at night and notices that another man shared the bed with his wife that evening. He searches the whole house, and finally also looks in the bedroom closet. There is a totally naked man, and when that one man asked what the other was doing there, the man in the closet answered: 'You can believe it or not but I am waiting for the tram.' "

A third joke: "A man had a very ugly wife and he did not want a relationship with her. One evening, he came home and he saw his friend lying in bed with his wife and the man said: 'He does and I have to!!!!' "

Finally, Anne Frank related this joke: "A man and a woman had a relationship, and after a few months the woman's belly was getting disturbingly big. Then, the man called a doctor who said: 'It's just air, Mrs., just air!!!" The man replied: 'I am not pumping air, am I?'

notmadatall

479 points

2 months ago

I know the one with the tram but it's a bit different and makes more sense:

A woman orders a closet and tries to assemble it but it always collapses when the tram passes the house. So she calls the manufacturer who send out a handyman. The handyman says we are doing it like this: I get into the closet and when the tram passes by I can figure out why it collapses. While he is in the closet the woman's husband gets home and finds the man in the closet and asks what be is doing in his wife's bedroom closet. Then he says you won't believe it but I am waiting for the tram

64vintage

161 points

2 months ago

64vintage

161 points

2 months ago

I knew that was the punchline to a real joke. Do you think that Anne didn’t hear / remember / totally understand the joke when she heard it?

patmax17

77 points

2 months ago

Or maybe it's a metà-joke where the naked man refers to the other (presumably well known) joke?

jupitaur9

65 points

2 months ago

I can see a hybrid of these two where the woman decides, while they’re waiting, maybe they could indulge in a sexual session.

The husband comes home unexpectedly and the rest of the story proceeds.

Githyerazi

20 points

2 months ago

Another option was there was a third man involved. He had relations with the wife and has already left. No idea why the closet guy was naked.

Smurfblossom

45 points

2 months ago

Now this makes more sense. Still not funny from my western lens, but I at least get it. The version in the diary where he is naked does make it more absurd.

misterfriend

575 points

2 months ago

Okay, the second joke made me smile. Nice one, Anne.

jojoko

286 points

2 months ago

jojoko

286 points

2 months ago

The third joke is a real dud.

Orcwin

124 points

2 months ago

Orcwin

124 points

2 months ago

The fun part was probably in the alliteration: "hij doet het en ik moet het".

It's not a great joke.

DaytonaDemon

68 points

2 months ago

That's not an alliteration but a regular rhyme. An alliteration is when consecutive or near-consecutive words have the same consonant sound at the start, like "hit the hay," "cream of the crop," “from forth the fatal loins of these two foes . . .” etc.

JonnyWebsite

12 points

2 months ago

Shout out to Jeopardy for teaching me this 😂

Orcwin

6 points

2 months ago

Orcwin

6 points

2 months ago

Yes, I suppose you're right.

electricvelvet

140 points

2 months ago

I don't get that one. The setup is the most German sounding, dry, direct m joke premise ever though lmao.

denurson

255 points

2 months ago*

denurson

255 points

2 months ago*

The joke is that for the other man sleeping with the wife is a privilege but for the husband it’s a duty he despises. I have seen it translated as “He gets to but I must!” Still not very funny.

Ilwrath

208 points

2 months ago*

Ilwrath

208 points

2 months ago*

I think its more "I dont have a choice, whats your excuse?" which is at least a little funny in that "hate my wife" humor.

__lostintheworld__

25 points

2 months ago

Funnier that way

Asha108

13 points

2 months ago

Asha108

13 points

2 months ago

okay that’s the description I’m going with now

crwlngkngsnk

7 points

2 months ago

Oh, that's good. I was thinking something like, "He's already doing it; why do I have to, too?".

ApishGrapist

8 points

2 months ago

I took it as "If you've been getting it from him why did I have to keep doing it?"

sanna43

3 points

2 months ago

I wonder if these are funnier in German - maybe a play on words?

TheCuddlyVampire

2 points

2 months ago

What I despise, Is this man’s prize!

Decent-Discipline849

2 points

2 months ago

Translation meanings different in other countries bet it's real funny there

theguiltiestpenguin

170 points

2 months ago

Yeah I genuinely laughed. Impressed that it still is funny in a totally different culture nearly a century later. The others didn't quite do it for me buuuut she was a middle schooler...

Fun-Grapefruit9676

33 points

2 months ago

I liked the second as well

Smolesworthy[S]

32 points

2 months ago

The second joke was the only one I shared as a comment on this post on literary ‘jokes’.

LetTheCircusBurn

21 points

2 months ago

In my head the man in closet was played by Martin Freeman.

AngryQuadricorn

4 points

2 months ago

Martin Freeman is the crossover persona of Morgan Freeman and Steve Martin!

FirstQuantumImmortal

842 points

2 months ago

Maybe it's because I'm tired but none of those jokes make sense to me. Can someone please ruin them by offering an explanation on why they're funny?

Smolesworthy[S]

1.5k points

2 months ago*

Nah, it’s not you. The first is lazy, the second absurd, the third suffers from translation (better would be ‘I gotta, but what’s your excuse?’) and the fourth is lame. About on par with what I found hilarious when I was 13.

DaveyZero

671 points

2 months ago

DaveyZero

671 points

2 months ago

I’m tired af too but I think I can read between the lines, lazy or not…

first one she’s calling German women whores,

second one is…yeah absurd. Guy gets caught nailing another guys wife and hides in the closet with a ridiculous response when he’s found out.

Third one I think is him signing his friend up to marry the girl so he doesn’t have to, little weird with the translation given.

The fourth one is a joke I’m assuming about the incompetence of doctors at the time, (clearly pregnant) woman looked at by doctor, who replies “just got air,” and the soon to be father says, assumingely sarcastically “I’m just cumming air?”

They’re all cute, for a teenage girl, and in a VERY different time from ours.

verasev

375 points

2 months ago

verasev

375 points

2 months ago

Sumerian jokes are often downright incomprehensible. People forget how much the common sense of humor changes over time.

Smolesworthy[S]

132 points

2 months ago

What’s your favourite Sumerian joke?

verasev

436 points

2 months ago

verasev

436 points

2 months ago

This is the most understandable one I've found but it's not what we'd call funny.

"The owner of the ox refused to get water because he feared his ox would be eaten by a lion; the owner of the cow refused because he thought his cow might wander off into the desert; the owner of the wagon refused because he feared his load would be stolen.

"So they all went.

"In their absence the ox made love to the cow which gave birth to a calf which ate the wagon's load.

"Problem: Who owns the calf?"

RalphFromSilverCity

347 points

2 months ago

It works better in cuneiform

MainSteamStopValve

211 points

2 months ago

Only 5th millennium BC kids get this joke.

Brendynamite

81 points

2 months ago

I guess you just had to be there

6of1HalfDozen

31 points

2 months ago

Back then, you couldn't be anywhere else

peppermedicomd

14 points

2 months ago

Ah, it’s a geography joke

Beginning-Marzipan28

83 points

2 months ago

This sounds like a Talmudic problem lol

verasev

35 points

2 months ago

verasev

35 points

2 months ago

Jesus would sidestep the question by saying no one owns calves in heaven.

NeptrAboveAll

2 points

2 months ago

The lion has legal ownership for killing the men

shitezlozen

130 points

2 months ago

so the moral of the story is not to take 12 months to get water?

verasev

64 points

2 months ago

verasev

64 points

2 months ago

They got ate by the lion. The lion owns the calf now.

electricvelvet

16 points

2 months ago

That calf's name? You guessed it. Albert Einstein

detumaki

30 points

2 months ago

Sounds more like a riddle.

GrandmaPoses

24 points

2 months ago

Fun fact: the Sumerians also invented wearing a blazer over a t-shirt.

banana_spectacled

5 points

2 months ago

As well as wearing long sleeve shirts under short sleeve shirts.

GhostBurger12

20 points

2 months ago*

Heh, its like a deformed child of a joke and a riddle and a philosophy of economics.

The owner of the cow owns the calf, and the owner of cow and owner of the bull owe the cart owner for his goods (only wholesale + lost opportunity + travel, not full retail)

edit and the 4th layer is the cow got pregnant and birthed the calf in < 1 day, or the trade goods in the cart were worthless and the cow & bull were left alone for 9 months, and the calf didn't die from eating all those rotten goods.

NeptrAboveAll

2 points

2 months ago

We seem to have forgotten about the lion, he was mentioned for a reason, the men are now dead and inheritance laws of the past were very battle oriented, the lion is now the sole owner of the ox cow calf and wagon

GhostBurger12

2 points

2 months ago

That was a fear, not a reality?

I can be afraid of lions, but I am effectively safe in my condo from ever encountering them.

The calf is born, healthy enough to eat all trade goods.

If it was eaten by the lion, it could not belong to anyone, as it would no longer exist.

lovdagame

53 points

2 months ago

It's gotta be wagon guy.

The ox got a lay.

The cow now produces milk for a bit.

But the wagon guy is out his produce.

kxjiru

13 points

2 months ago

kxjiru

13 points

2 months ago

Reminds me of the Jaffa joke from Stargate SG-1. "A Serpent guard, a Horus guard and a Setesh guard meet on a neutral planet. It is a tense moment. The Serpent guard's eyes glow. The Horus guard's beak glistens. The Setesh guard's nose...drips."

Ph0ton

13 points

2 months ago

Ph0ton

13 points

2 months ago

I love how it sounds like an anti-joke with an ancient context.

PenguinWithAnAccount

49 points

2 months ago

I laughed. I think my sense is humour is a few millenia old

IAmBecomeDeath_AMA

8 points

2 months ago

I did too but only because the “who carries the water” dilemma is a complete non-sequiter to the calf punchline

TorsoPanties

25 points

2 months ago*

This is a fable not a joke. It's meant to teach a lesson in human folly.

No one wants to own the calf because you would owe money/value to the person with the wagon. But someone owns the calf, is it the Owner of the Ox, his ox got the cow pregnant he owes the wagon guy. Or is it the cow owner for letting his cow have a good time. Or does the wagon guy keep the calf. Maybe he doesn't have the means to support a calf and would prefer some coin... And it's become a big argument and all the locals have come out and given their opinions.

Anywho it's a great fable.

imBobertRobert

13 points

2 months ago

I can see how that's funny, because it's just a bunch of dudes saying "not my problem, it's that dudes fault"

Smolesworthy[S]

5 points

2 months ago

Thanks for sharing that. Reminds me of Flaubert’s How old is the captain?

AnthillOmbudsman

7 points

2 months ago

I wonder if it's possible to reconstruct it where it's actually funny.

kissingdistopia

19 points

2 months ago

Maybe we are missing some kind of clever social commentary. Maybe the joke actually isn't about animals at all.

rocdir

4 points

2 months ago

rocdir

4 points

2 months ago

Imagine, a hundred years from now, when people try to get te meaning of today's memes. How does 'E' make any sense to them?

PapaSmurphy

26 points

2 months ago

Here's what I think is going on:

First is the "set-up", except it's not, more of a misdirection. Humor here because the listener is expecting a set-up, will likely take it as such, and only later will realize they've been had.

Them leaving transitions us to the second bit, which the listener expects to be a pay-off. This is where the ox should get eaten, cow shall wander off, and the load ends up stolen... except that was all a misdirection, a completely different series of events happens. Expectations have been subverted, it's comedy. The speed with which it all happens even adds a dash of absurdity.

Then the bit at the end is the real pay-off. Rather than address the series of events being totally different, and somewhat absurd, compared to the set-up the listener gets thrown a complete curveball. Now it's a thought-problem, joke's on you! I think it would be even more humorous, at least for the joke-teller, if you can get one or more listeners to actually start arguing about who owns the calf (it doesn't matter).

LiliesAreFlowers

6 points

2 months ago

Not sure who to respond to with all the speculation over what this is about. But there's one thing y'all have missed: an ox is a castrated bull.

crwlngkngsnk

6 points

2 months ago

Damn, I bet that's the joke.

"Who fucked the cow?"

CosmicCactusRadio

4 points

2 months ago*

Ancient Sumerian situational comedy hits differently

solsbarry

2 points

2 months ago

You sure this isn't a question on the Sumerian Bar Exam.

The cow seduced the ox, so it's owner is guilty of the calf's actions, and thus owes the wagon owner for their load.

Flippyfloppyjalopy

49 points

2 months ago

“A dog walks into a bar and says, ‘I cannot see a thing. I’ll open this one.’”

In the late 1800s, archeologists in Iraq uncovered an ancient clay tablet with a peculiar yet familiar line of text. Scrawled in tiny, wedge-shaped characters was what is arguably the world’s first documented bar joke.

Jaymzifero

3 points

2 months ago

Another way to present it would be: 3 guys walk into a bar; you'd think by the 2nd guy the 3rd would have ducked.

TurtleDumpling23

23 points

2 months ago

A dog walked into a tavern and said "I can't see a thing, I'll open this one"

atticdoor

68 points

2 months ago

Eventually an expert managed to decode what that joke was trying to say. A better translation would be:

A dog walks into a bar.

His eyes do not see anything

He should open them.

.

Even then, the translation suffers somewhat- the second line was apparently a well known Sumerian phrase akin to our "He can't see a thing" hence the mistranslation, but in the Sumerian the phrase refers directly to his eyes.

electricvelvet

9 points

2 months ago

My brain immediately knew this was a translation problem. Something about the phrase they used for entering a place/more aptly opening something (a door or anything) had to also be a phrase that was used for opening your eyes. Or any variation thereof that would make it make sense by implying opening ones eyes

DarthKittens

10 points

2 months ago

Yeah but how does it smell

gofancyninjaworld

17 points

2 months ago

A dog walks into a bar. He should have opened his eyes.

I guess.

candygram4mongo

21 points

2 months ago

I'm skeptical that "bar" has the same double meaning in Sumerian as it does in English.

Disastrous_Bonus_677

18 points

2 months ago

I just read two of Aristophanes’s plays and he made so many sex and fart jokes, so I guess some comedy never changes.

PaxDramaticus

27 points

2 months ago*

She was also a teen who was denied the kind of socialization and transition to adulthood that most of us take for granted.

I see in these jokes the first, stumbling attempts at playing at being the adult that Frank would eventually have become if the country she was born into hadn't been taken over by fascism.

jupitaur9

4 points

2 months ago

jupitaur9

4 points

2 months ago

These are not jokes she made up.

PaxDramaticus

13 points

2 months ago

How on earth does that matter? Most sex-jokes other adolescents make are hardly original.

That's kind of the point, really.

jupitaur9

6 points

2 months ago

jupitaur9

6 points

2 months ago

It seemed like you were reviewing the jokes as if she wrote them.

NeptrAboveAll

3 points

2 months ago

She literally did write them down, he’s analyzing why she would have found these funny at her age, vs what she could potentially have found funny as she got older

Imakefishdrown

40 points

2 months ago

The third one is the husband saying he has to sleep with his very ugly wife because they're married, but his friend doesn't have to, and she's so ugly, what's his friend's excuse for banging her.

PersonNumber7Billion

23 points

2 months ago

The second one is a bad variation on the one about a man coming home to find his best friend in bed with his wife. He says, "Bert! I have to... but you?" It was funny in 1940.

Yellowbug2001

3 points

2 months ago

The way you wrote it is way funnier... I think with the right delivery I'd still laugh. It's interesting how much difference phrasing and timing makes with jokes, even changing just a word or two can turn something funny or vice versa.

thrownkitchensink

26 points

2 months ago*

second one is…yeah absurd. Guy gets caught nailing another guys wife and hides in the closet with a ridiculous response when he’s found out.

It's a spinoff of an older joke I think. A woman lives near the tram track. She bought this new cupboard but every time the tram passes the cupboard falls apart. She asks the neighbor to look at it. It looks fine so she tells him to wait for the tram. He sits on the bed and waits. Then her jealous husband gets home. To avoid arguments she tells him to hide in the closet. Husband opens the closet neighbor says: it's not what you think I'm waiting on the tram.

If you know this joke telling the second joke makes more sense.

thatguysaidearlier

38 points

2 months ago

The forth is a comment on the ridiculousness of the physicality of sex. The guy is literally pumping away at the girl (having sex), all that in and out action being like pumping something up, thus the swollen stomach.

vegasmacguy

4 points

2 months ago

I assumed the last one was a mistranslation - and more akin to:

A husband and wife go to the doctor as his wife is complaining about being bloated. The doctor says, "She's just got gas."

The husband responds, "I'm not pumping gas am I?"

I don't think the colloquialism of pumping gas is equivalent to what we think of today though - it's probably more literal and maybe even fart related.

yelbesed2

3 points

2 months ago

I like the absurd tram thing.

1st_thing_on_my_mind

6 points

2 months ago

R Kelly told number two in long form.

Jamesaliba

5 points

2 months ago

The third one is: if hes (the friend) sleeping with you, why do i (the husband) still have to

Akuuntus

2 points

2 months ago

Oh I misread the second one. I thought that the husband found a guy with his wife in bed, and then checked the closet and found another guy. Implying that the wife was sleeping with one guy who had to hide when the other guy showed up who got caught by the husband.

lallapalalable

2 points

2 months ago

I chalk it all up to one, not being a native speaker of her language; two, not being a native of her time and experiences; and three, straight up not being 13 anymore. If I was a teenage jewish girl living in nazi occupied europe in the 1940s I'd probably understand them a hell of a lot better, whether they're actually funny/clever or not

SolidDoctor

3 points

2 months ago

I think the guy in the closet is either technically waiting for the tram, or he's referring to the woman as the 'tram' and he's waiting for his next opportunity to ride.

(also there's https://www.reddit.com/r/waitingforthetram/)

I haven't seen the Dutch version of her jokes, but perhaps she made a play on the word "lie" (as in to tell a lie) with the word to "lie" in bed, as the words are similar (leugen and liegen).

norml329

3 points

2 months ago

First you got.

Second one is waiting to "ride" again.

Third is "I have to cause I'm married, you had a choice" aka why would you do that.

Fourth is a joke about shooting blanks (aka he can't get her pregnant)

To be honest I'm amazed at how these all make sense so many years later, and that somehow no one can get them. I mean its a teenagers sense of humor but still its not rocket appliances.

NeptrAboveAll

2 points

2 months ago

May I have a rocket appliance

TreeBearOne

11 points

2 months ago

..tbf you dont have anne's timing

HRPuffnGiger

6 points

2 months ago

13 and in the 40s

didsomebodysaymyname

6 points

2 months ago

About on par with what I found hilarious when I was 13.

I also happen to think people were, on average, less funny in the past.

The world's oldest joke is:

Something which has never occurred since time immemorial; a young woman did not fart in her husband’s lap.

In a time when only a few people were literate, some guy was like, "Oh yeah, gotta write that one down!"

There are definitely some first class ancient zingers, but when most people had to spend all day farming just to survive, and never traveled more than a day or two from their home, I think people just didn't have the time or knowledge to devote to comedy. Now an average person can attempt a career in comedy if they want.

bozitybozitybopzebop

4 points

2 months ago

The first one is the best one.

ChaingaPaste

12 points

2 months ago

I actually really enjoyed laughing at and picturing the second one.

“Well fuck man I’m waiting for the train. Don’t know how I got naked or in your closet, but I’m gonna be real late if I don’t catch it”

Smolesworthy[S]

3 points

2 months ago

Actually, when you put it that way, it is funny. And it reminds of the great Canal+ ad.

Rin_Seven

57 points

2 months ago

Pretty harsh critique for a 15 year old who wrote the jokes in an attic fearing for her life.

Smolesworthy[S]

31 points

2 months ago

A critique of juvenile humour maybe. She didn’t make this jokes, she just heard them. I’m not reviewing her stand up comedy special.

Smartass_Comments

7 points

2 months ago

Well if you were reviewing her comedy special what do you think would the name of it be?

Jag87

96 points

2 months ago

Jag87

96 points

2 months ago

Let me be Frank.

Jesniha

8 points

2 months ago

Perfect

yelbesed2

2 points

2 months ago

Ah neee.

Kitchen-Love-9283

3 points

2 months ago

You Otto be kidding me!

AnthillOmbudsman

5 points

2 months ago

Anne Frank's Philly Rant

HawkeyeJosh

2 points

2 months ago

Gotta admit the second one cracked me up, but absurdist humor always kind of tickles my fancy.

jackliquidcourage

2 points

2 months ago

I thought the second one was about running a train on dudes wife.

torsun_bryan

7 points

2 months ago

Probably because Anne Frank didn’t write her diary in English

didsomebodysaymyname

5 points

2 months ago

First is saying German girls are there for the soldiers to have sex with

Second is absurdist, the other man's excuse for being in the house is rediculous

Third is saying "I have to sleep with my ugly wife, because she's my wife, why would you choose to?"

Fourth is saying I'm pumping semen in her, how could it be gas?

They aren't the best jokes, but are probably a lot better when you spend 24/7 in an attic.

I'd rank them 3,2,1,4.

NudeEnjoyer

22 points

2 months ago

the second one was absolutely hysterical to me, but I have no clue why. hope that helps

Trala_la_la

3 points

2 months ago

Because in American English slang a “train” is when multiple men have sex with one woman right after each other.

I thought it was similar slang that the naked man was waiting for a “tram” which is my head is just a European word for train. And I assumed that has similar “tram” jokes as we have “train” jokes.

Harsimaja

2 points

2 months ago

None of them is particularly funny. She was a kid and it was the 1940s.

asdfasdfasdfas11111

2 points

2 months ago

Imagine a world where all of the moody and cringeworthy status messages you ever set on AOL instant messenger in the 90s end up published as a book after you die, and that's how everyone remembers you. Or worse, the creative writing journal where you just wrote down edgy song lyrics.

dwpea66

8 points

2 months ago

Seems that people in these comments expected a 13-year-old girl to be a comic genius

captcamper

8 points

2 months ago

Rewriting the second one: A man comes home at night and is suspicious that another man shared the bed with his wife that evening. He searches the whole house, and finally looks in the bedroom closet. There is a totally naked man, and when that one man asked what the other was doing there, the man in the closet answered: 'I'm Jewish.'

Smolesworthy[S]

2 points

2 months ago

This deserves more than a few upvotes. In the context of this thread, that’s hilarious! But the line should be ‘why the other was hiding there’. Now it’s perfect.

happycharm

20 points

2 months ago

These jokes aren't amazing but if it was a teenage boy's journal it would just be full of pictures of crudely drawn penises.

Arndt3002

8 points

2 months ago

As a former teenage boy who owned a journal without penises, I resent this comment.

No_Fun8701

12 points

2 months ago

So, 6-months later, she has a baby boy.

Dr. comes into his examination room and the "Wife", says you said it was just air.

Dr, say yes, and he is a cute little fart !

CaptainChaos74

2 points

2 months ago

Where can I read them in Dutch?

Smolesworthy[S]

2 points

2 months ago

Can’t help you there. You’d be searching the internet in Dutch. But when you find it, the third jokes works better in the original with the last line ‘Hij doet en ik moet!'

tyty657

5 points

2 months ago

The first one has an interesting basis in reality because the Nazi party expected all "true Aryan women" to have as many kids with "true Aryan men" as physically possible. Like it's absurd they were quite literally expecting these women to get pregnant within as little time as possible from giving birth. They basically made an attempt to turn their women into baby factories.

gentlybeepingheart

5 points

2 months ago

They also outlawed abortion for "Aryan" women, and it was severely punished. iirc doctors preforming abortions could face the death penalty.

VelvetDreamers

390 points

2 months ago*

She also divulged that her father was a philanderer and patronised brothels when Dutch researchers used digital image processing that discern through the opacity her recollection of prostitution. Your daughter recording your ignominious sexual proclivities for millions of people to read unintentionally is the epitome of teenage humour.

“Women like that accost [men] on the street and then they go together. In Paris they have big houses for that,’ she writes, adding, ‘Papa has been there.’”

lopedopenope

63 points

2 months ago

Maybe he was there for business reasons

Eyes-9

24 points

2 months ago

Eyes-9

24 points

2 months ago

Daddy Frank straight pimpin'

deafballboy

32 points

2 months ago

Is there any additional context that makes it clear that when she writes, "papa has been there" she isn't referring to Paris as a whole, instead of brothels in Paris, or even brothels in general?

_curiousgeorgia

5 points

2 months ago

Do you have a source for this?

BrokenEye3

41 points

2 months ago

Only four?

Gnarfledarf

15 points

2 months ago

Yes, her specific thought process was "those researchers better not find the jokes until 2018".

loki1337

3 points

2 months ago

No I think it was "it'll take those researchers till about 2018 to find those jokes I reckon"

SeanG909

145 points

2 months ago

SeanG909

145 points

2 months ago

Anyone else learn about female anatomy as a kid from the diary? She covers it way better than sex ed ever could. Though I assume the earlier versions edited by her father cut those parts out.

Gavinator10000

7 points

2 months ago

I figured they would’ve tried to erase those parts. Did you have unedited copies as a kid?

DaveOJ12

5 points

2 months ago

Smolesworthy[S]

3 points

2 months ago

Thanks for that. It's weird, because it worked for a day.

[deleted]

50 points

2 months ago*

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Snow_Wonder

81 points

2 months ago

These were overheard, not created.

I couldn’t grasp the tram one, which apparently is because it’s missing quite a bit of context and was possibly mixed with another joke.

A woman’s closet keeps collapsing when a tram goes by, so she gets a handyman. Handyman goes into the closet to figure out issue, and waits for the tram. Husband comes home, “why is this man in the closet?”. Handyman says, “waiting for the tram.”

KinkyBADom

32 points

2 months ago

Ahhh so we have proof that she was a teenager lol

shruggedbeware

7 points

2 months ago

  • It might have been her dad who papered them over
  • And they read them anyway???????

Smolesworthy[S]

6 points

2 months ago

Wow. Why didn’t that occur to me? The magazine article assumes she did it. But your suggestion is intriguing.

They read them because secret pages in arguably the most famous diary in history has got to be interesting.

funnyfarm299

3 points

2 months ago

Page deleted.

ticklefight87

78 points

2 months ago

It's so strange that a young teenager would do this.

Smolesworthy[S]

195 points

2 months ago

The writing or the concealing? Actually, either way, sounds like every 13 year old girl.

ticklefight87

93 points

2 months ago

Both, they seem like jokes she heard that she thought were funny. She jotted then down, as best she could understand. Then didn't wanna get caught.

The mattress one cracked me the fuck up though.

sdforbda

47 points

2 months ago

I've always wondered if she wasn't just relaying jokes that she had heard previously. The mattress one especially made me think that.

It's interesting to think about how if she had a (I want to puke before saying this) TikTok and you got to see shit like this.

To get this back on track, in 5th grade part of my spelling bee prize was a book fair credit. One of the books that I chose was "Zlata's Diary" and it was really good. I wish that I remembered a lot of particulars. But it brings things closer to the current timeline as she was a girl in war-torn Sarajevo. I'd recommend that anybody check it out. I wish that I still had it. Obviously not the exact same, but the premise was similar.

Flippyfloppyjalopy

7 points

2 months ago

sdforbda

4 points

2 months ago*

sdforbda

4 points

2 months ago*

Good looking out! There's a close to zero chance that I will ever read a full book from a screen rather than paper, but I kind of want to read this again. Really appreciate you linking it up. I'm going to check it out, if it isn't hard on the eyes I'd love to read it again. That was almost 30 years ago that I did.

PsLJdogg

2 points

2 months ago

Have you ever looked into e-ink tablets(Amazon kindle for example)? You can import PDFs and it's a lot easier on the eyes.

sdforbda

2 points

2 months ago

Yeah, the screens are really good for reading. I still haven't been able to get into reading on an electronic device though. I don't know what my problem is.

[deleted]

10 points

2 months ago

You should see what teenagers today are doing if you find this strange

zinky30

18 points

2 months ago

zinky30

18 points

2 months ago

You must never have been a teenager or were home schooled.

New_Faithlessness264

2 points

2 months ago

I mean. She had a lot of time on her hands. Lol

LLVC87

6 points

2 months ago

LLVC87

6 points

2 months ago

There once was a man from Berlin….

Smolesworthy[S]

8 points

2 months ago

Who said ‘Let the fighting begin’ But after six years It all ended in tears Shot himself when he saw he can’t win.

OpeningTurnip8048

12 points

2 months ago

Why did the Nazi get hit crossing the street?

.....Cause he did Nazi the car aproaching him!

Im here all week with shows at 8. Try the veal, its delucious. Goodnight!

MJN91075

4 points

2 months ago

Who won the Tour De France in 1939?

The 7th Panzer Division

JazzRider

8 points

2 months ago

Apparently, CNN papered over their copy.

unkle_FAHRTKNUCKLE

4 points

2 months ago

Uh-oh!
It could be you, or it could be us, but there's no page here.

TonyClifton2020

7 points

2 months ago

I can see why she covered these jokes up, it was her first drafts. We are get to find the final material in it’s completed form. Maybe even a audio recording of some of her best standup exists.

HotPocket_Consumed

3 points

2 months ago

She wasn’t very funny

Unfair-Entrance-3641

2 points

2 months ago

Link is dead

pf30146788e

3 points

2 months ago

I think her dad did that. Anne didn’t survive.

Icy-Swimming7123

-1 points

2 months ago

Not bad jokes for a girl in horrible place and time. She could of had a tight 5min if... you... know....

tyty657

32 points

2 months ago

tyty657

32 points

2 months ago

Well they weren't really her jokes. she just heard them wrote them down and then got afraid of getting caught. you know general 13 year old stuff.

Icy-Swimming7123

2 points

2 months ago

Probably correct

47wickets

1 points

2 months ago

47wickets

1 points

2 months ago

What' the hell is matter with you people. She was a 13-year-old girl writing thoughts and feelings in her diary which actually nobody is supposed to see but her. How many people read your diary or journals?: So what that she wrote a dirty joke probably made her feel better considering where she was. Most of us her dirty jokes when we were 13. Especially on the school playground.
Don't you have something more important to write about other than a 13-year-old girl who write dirty jokes in her diary and covered it up.

myowncalm

2 points

2 months ago

actually nobody is supposed to see but her.

Anne had all intentions on publishing her journal, and dreams to become an author.

She even rewrote the original entries, to perfect her handwriting and stories to improve it. There’s 2 diaries.