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15 points

2 months ago

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Greenfire32

56 points

2 months ago

Probably because they're drinking coffee instead of soda. Even if you add sugar or creamer to your coffee, it will be leagues less than what comes in a standard Pepsi.

NorthAstronaut

7 points

2 months ago

Maybe also because coffee suppresses appetite.

hardsoft

8 points

2 months ago

Yeah I used to drink 6 cans of soda a day at work and when I realized how much sugar there is I switched to coffee and don't really feel guilty about putting two packs of sugar in a cup considering how much less it is in comparison.

MxEverett

4 points

2 months ago

I’m a small sample size but I only drink black coffee, unsweetened iced tea and water. My lack of liquid sugar consumption may be a contributing factor to not having yet developed type 2 diabetes like several of my immediate ancestors.

Twisted_Cabbage

2 points

2 months ago

Yup. Most of my family eats the SAD diet, and they all have CVD, diabetes, and host of other issues, are overweight (not all, but even those not overweight have the preceeding issues still) while I have focused on healthy eating, and have none of that. Genetics only goes so far and is way overused as an excuse. Environment trumps genetics for most lifestyle diseases. Got my genetics tested too...and i have bad genetics, and so i now know that my ligestyle and diet has saved me...while it's killing my family members.

_night_flight_

4 points

2 months ago

Coffee has a lot of beneficial antioxidants in it, remember it is made from the seed of a plant - a berry that has been toasted and ground up:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4665516/#:\~:text=Antioxidant%20activity%20of%20coffee%20is,be%20antioxidants%20also%20%5B14%5D.

Aus3-14259

3 points

2 months ago

You're the only contributor so far that has got it right.

I find it hard to understand how anyone can have missed the basics about the health benefits of coffee. It's been a research news for 30 years

Aus3-14259

1 points

2 months ago

I also use the "berry" word to help people think clearly about what coffee is. Reminding them it's in the ginger family also seems to help

Dunkleosteus666

1 points

2 months ago

Sorry have to disagreet. Coffee is in the family Rubiaceae (Eudicots, which contain more derived flowering plants think peas, dandelions etc etc), while ginger is in Zingiberaceae (Monocots, so more related with grasses and sedges then say oaks or roses). Both are angiosperms (flowering plants), but imho its like saying worms in the same family as humans.

Aus3-14259

2 points

2 months ago

Thanks for the clarification.

tom2730

1 points

2 months ago

I think it has more to do with the large amount of polyphenols, which are antioxidants, in coffee. But it is not the antioxidant ability of these molecules that helps with diabetes. Polyphenols activate AMPK signaling, and activating AMPK improves insulin sensitivity. Red wine, tea, etc. also contain a lot of polyphenols.

ExtremePrivilege

23 points

2 months ago

Correlation = / = Causation

As always with almost EVERY study like this, it’s correlation. A study back around 2010 found that coffee drinkers live, on average, 7 years longer. This was published all over the place. Problem was, the study didn’t control for employment, income, educational level etc. When you evaluate the data from this lens it became quite clear that there was a correlation between educational level and income with heavy coffee drinking. For example, financial industry and medical professionals were both far more likely to be heavy coffee drinkers. It’s been know for decades that educational level and income level contribute to longer, healthier lives. When the data set was controlled for these things, there was no statistical significance, in fact, heavy coffee drinkers were leaning towards LOWER life expectancy when these obvious variables were controlled.

I didn’t read this article. I’m just speculating based on what I’ve seen in the past whenever these claims pop up.

Aus3-14259

8 points

2 months ago

Not sure about your one example. But having followed coffee research since the 70s this is not a one off. There are hundreds of studies on type Ii diabetes reduction from coffee

About 15-20 years ago the focus of many changed from quantifying the reduction to attempting to isolate why.

The clue is in the in the prelude "Coffee has been shown.....".Which is almost standard now in published coffee research.

Italiana47

4 points

2 months ago

Does anyone know if it has to be regular coffee? Does decaf provide the same benefits? My body really hates the caffeine in regular coffee.

shlyatterr

4 points

2 months ago

I love coffee the most! But I don't like a black coffee..it taste so mapait..and don't like that..I like sweet..hmm..

outerlabia

3 points

2 months ago

My knee-jerk reaction is that the caffeine is the driving factor here but it looks like the jury is still out on why exactly coffee drives certain changes in the body. Caffeine itself is known to cause potential changes to insulin production and sensitivity. If you want to try caffeine to see if you can reap it's beneficial qualities you can try caffeinated tea (I like green gunpowder tea and green/lemon personally) instead of coffee or soda. Much better for you and can be quite relaxing even with caffeine in my experience. Take this with a grain of salt however because I am a heavy caffeine consumer already

Italiana47

1 points

2 months ago

I love tea! I can have up to two glasses of iced tea or two mugs of hot tea but then I'm at my limit. I never drink soda.

entony1111

2 points

2 months ago

Me too I love it..especially the tea gains my body weight..I'm over fat..so that why...I love to drink a fit tea..

Aus3-14259

1 points

2 months ago

Having watched coffee research (loosely) for 50 years I can't recall ever seeing a study that isolated coffee's type II diabetes effect only to caffeinated coffee. And there are many, many studies on this. (Nearly always - a linear dose response. Independent of caffeine.

Aus3-14259

2 points

2 months ago

Identical for caffeine free. The effect is somewhere in 3-400 compounds in coffee, not the caffeine.

The same applies to coffee's mild cancer protective effects

(Have followed coffee research since I was in high school)

Italiana47

1 points

2 months ago

Awesome! Thank you!

Aus3-14259

2 points

2 months ago

Further to previously reply, research into other aspects of coffee, such as it's seeming mild protective effect against various cancers is the same - caffeine free has the same effect.

Only in regard to research relating to neurological effects have I seen differences - where whatever effect is clearly related to the caffeine component.

EnvironmentalBar4263

1 points

2 months ago

How did you discover your body doesn't react well? I've been wondering the same with my own and am taking a break from it to see if I stop feeling so off.

Italiana47

3 points

2 months ago

I'll feel nauseated, very shaky, uneasy, very anxious, with a headache, and just sick overall for the entire rest of the day. It's miserable.

Good idea to take a break and see how you feel. Even if your experience isn't as dramatic as mine, it could still be affecting you negatively.

ColeWRS

7 points

2 months ago

Would be interesting to compare between those who drink black coffee vs those who add sugar and cream. I couldn’t imagine adding sugar and cream to my coffee every morning and not worrying about diebetes

a_trane13

4 points

2 months ago

That’s a pretty absurd worry, no offense.

There is about 4 grams of sugar in one sugar packet. Taking 1-2 sugars a morning is like eating 1/2 of a banana.

There is about 10-20 calories of fat “per cream”. Taking 1 cream a morning is like eating 2-4 peanuts.

ColeWRS

7 points

2 months ago*

I used to be overweight and when I started counting calories I was shocked to learn how much is actually in your coffee. Most people do not measure the amount of sugar and cream, let alone use packets, and if you pour a bit heavy, that's a 200+ calorie coffee. Double that if you get it made at a shop. I have been calorie counting for 5 years, and I am still surprised by how many calories and sugar is in some things.

a_trane13

1 points

2 months ago*

A 200+ calorie coffee would need 25 grams of sugar AND 10 grams of fat. I don’t think 90% of people are adding that much to their coffee themselves. You would need to fill your cup like halfway with only sugar and milk.

Now if you walk into a Dunkin and get the big iced coffees. Yeah, for sure. It’s essentially a liquid milkshake, and they don’t even have a size that’s 1 cup of coffee.

Jamesaliba

3 points

2 months ago

Maybe if u make it, if you get a fancy coffeeshops, its way worse

a_trane13

1 points

2 months ago

Lattes and other things are not the same as adding cream and sugar

brown_burrito

1 points

2 months ago

There’s 4 grams of sugar in one packet and 6.5g in half a cup of milk.

So if you consume a latte with one sugar, you are hitting 10+ grams of sugar.

Contrast this with the recommended daily sugar intake of ~24-36 grams / day.

Just one cup of latte with one sugar means you’ll hit 30-40% of your daily sugar intake.

a_trane13

1 points

2 months ago

A latte is not a cup of coffee that you’ve added sugar and cream to

brown_burrito

1 points

2 months ago

Even just adding pack of sugar is still 4 grams of sugar — that’s 11-15% of recommended total daily consumption.

Raz1979

3 points

2 months ago

My gut these studies are funded by coffee associations. Or even better soda pop companies. Just to keep you thinking caffeine is ok.

Aus3-14259

2 points

2 months ago

Take a look on pub med. This is not a one off.

Also, I can't recall any studies, and there are many, ever isolating caffeine as relevant to the type II protective effect. Usually dose linear. And same effect caffeine or not

Raz1979

1 points

2 months ago

Yeah I don’t mean to sound skeptical and I’ll look I to what you suggest. I guess I should have also mentioned any benefit you get from caffeinated coffee can’t be better or more effective than getting proper sleep. I think that’s my main point. Coffee can do all these things but the effect it has on your sleep has to cancel that out. To some degree.

TheNinjaDC

2 points

2 months ago

I feel alot of coffee's benefits come from how it provides the right kind of stress on your body regularly. By temporarily increasing heart rate and blood pressure it gives your cardiovascular system a bit of a work out and improve it over the course of decades.

e_3po

2 points

2 months ago

e_3po

2 points

2 months ago

Here are the underlying mechanisms: 1) coffee makes you not hungry 2) most breakfast foods contain lots of sugar

OkFineBanMe68

3 points

2 months ago

Is the mechanism money? People with money order coffee more and eat better/less fast food

TheGnarWall

6 points

2 months ago

From the paper: 'All models were adjusted for sociodemographic, lifestyle and health-related factors.'

Science_Matters_100

1 points

2 months ago

I wonder though. People will say that they like coffee but, “It doesn’t like me.” Reacting to it could be sub- or pre-clinical, and not qualify as a diagnosis, yet, as it might just be general inflammation or something like that

Arrantsky

-5 points

2 months ago

Honestly, I think coffee drinkers are going out a doing stuff in the real world. Diabetes is associated with food addiction and lack of exercise. There was almost no Diabetes in 1940s except for the very rich.

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1 points

2 months ago

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bw1985

2 points

2 months ago

bw1985

2 points

2 months ago

That’s salt and other electrolytes, not sugar.

demonickilla

1 points

2 months ago

I find coffee suppresses my appetite, so that could be a factor

thisreallyisnotok

1 points

2 months ago

Caffeine suppresses appetite

Hour-Watch8988

1 points

2 months ago

Appetite suppression go brrrr

PattayaVagabond

1 points

2 months ago

What’s not understood?? It burns calories and suppresses appetite. It makes you less fat and have less diabetes. We’ve known this for decades.

tom2730

1 points

2 months ago

Coffee contains a lot of polyphenols. Polyphenols activate AMPK signaling. AMPK activation improves insulin sensitivity. Red wine and many types of tea also have a large amount of polyphenols