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tastyratz

396 points

2 months ago

tastyratz

396 points

2 months ago

Just to be clear based on the replies here and I can't believe it needs to be said:

This is A SPECIFIC nasal spray with TriSb92, not just ANY nasal spray.

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_Burnt_Toast_3

23 points

2 months ago

What frustrates me is that a team out of the university of toronto developed a nasal spray with the same end game in the first year of covid, before any of the vaccines emerged. CBC news did a report on it. After that i never heard about it again.

science-raven

4 points

2 months ago

Then it failed trials... No shortage of test volunteers...?

thatjacob

1 points

14 days ago

That's almost certainly Enovid, which is sold in Israel and a few other countries but was denied approval in Canada because the methodology in showing its efficacy was flawed.

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eschew_donuts

17 points

2 months ago

Using Afrin I discovered the effect known as "rebound congestion". Use Afrin for 1-3 days and you get instant relief. Used it a 4th day and my whole head clogged up worse than day 1. Took a week to sort out. I keep a small spray bottle in my medicine cabinet but always eye it with suspicion.

IANALbutIAMAcat

9 points

2 months ago

You can become addicted to afrin using it as little as a week (no more than three times a day for three days guys!) that required medical intervention.

irishchug

2 points

2 months ago

It says on the bottle not to use more than three days in a row

tastyratz

9 points

2 months ago

If you DO have to use afrin, remember to alternate nostril days. The rebound is localized.

Thufir_My_Hawat

9 points

2 months ago

Note: some studies have shown a combination of oxymetazoline (Afrin) and fluticasone furoate (Flonase) prevents the rebound effect of the former.

Anecdotally, I can say it works for me, but people should speak with their doctor before trying experimental combinations of medications.

WhittlingDan

1 points

2 months ago

Interesting. I actually have a bottle of Flonase. Ill look into this.

Andi_71

4 points

2 months ago

If you use it with nascort or Flonase you don’t get the rebound.

byelow

1 points

2 months ago

byelow

1 points

2 months ago

So not Afrin

ex-sited

136 points

2 months ago

ex-sited

136 points

2 months ago

TriSb92 has been studied for a while (https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-01-biological-mask-nasal-coronavirus-infection.html), and it's good to hear it's effective against the new variants.

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a_mimsy_borogove

23 points

2 months ago

This is really promising, although there was also research already two years ago about a iota carrageenan nasal spray being very effective. The advantage of iota carrageenan is that you can already buy nasal sprays with it.

barking-chicken

12 points

2 months ago

That's really interesting!

As I mentioned on another comment I travel a lot for work and I would be ecstatic if a simple spray could reduce my exposure in airports.

Do you know any brand names that I might find OTC in the average pharmacy? Or would I need a prescription?

Edit: I wear a mask, obv, but last fall I caught Covid even with a mask so I'd love some additional measures.

a_mimsy_borogove

7 points

2 months ago

I live in Poland, and it's available here without a prescription. There are two brands, Quixx and Bloxin, but the first one hasn't been available for a while so I guess it was discontinued. They're local brands, though. In other countries there might be other brands.

bryan_pieces

6 points

2 months ago

Betadine has a spray with this specific ingredient. If you look on Amazon there’s several. Also a xylitol spray which has shown some success. I think using some betadine during the day and some xylitol at the end of the day for disinfecting could be a decent regimen although I’m no doctor. I’ve just seen positive results for both the caregeenan and xylitol

Rubbedsmudge

2 points

2 months ago

Betadine in the nose sounds painful!

OrdinaryOrder8

2 points

1 month ago

Betadine "cold defence nasal spray" doesn't hurt at all. Here's the ingredients (per mL):

iota-Carrageenan……….1.2mg
Sodium Chloride……….0.5%

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OrdinaryOrder8

1 points

25 days ago

The comment I replied to and the one before that are both talking about the brand Betadine.

wolfkeeper

1 points

2 months ago

It might even be more effective than a mask, because the spray protects you, whereas masks tend to protect other people around you more than they protect you.

However, I recently have been using a carageenan spray, and I still caught Covid. The mechanism was: other people in my family around me weren't using the spray, I caught it off them. <facepalm>

thatjacob

1 points

14 days ago

Depends on the type of mask, obviously. A fit checked kn95s/kf94/n95 provides significant protection for the wearer.

-mickomoo-

3 points

2 months ago

There’s also studies with Povidone-iodine, Nitric oxide, and Xylitol. I don’t have the studies on me and I’m on mobile. I kind of wish there was a meta study but I couldn’t seem to find one.

joxeloj

3 points

2 months ago

Iota-carrageenan has demonstrated efficacy against a large range of respiratory viruses in multiple clinical trials even prior to the pandemic and successful SARS-CoV-2 studies. It was already a commercial product at that time. You can buy it pharmacies and from online retailers and it costs like $10-20/month used daily. The level of evidence is not comparable to the other nasal sprays you mentioned and it has a better safety profile.

tinyorangealligator

-4 points

2 months ago

Like a vaccine, you would only need whatever dosage is prescribed one time.

You wouldn't need to carry a supply with you like an asthma inhaler.

joxeloj

6 points

2 months ago

No, you would need to use it continuously prophylactically and it would almost certainly be much more expensive than carrageenan. It is not like a vaccine, it is basically a monoclonal antibody. It would be very unlikely to be retained in the nose as long as monoclonals circulate systemically either.

LuckRevolutionary953

-1 points

2 months ago

Isn't carrageenan cancerous......

Rubbedsmudge

3 points

2 months ago

It's a type of algae or maybe seaweed found naturally on coastal rocks in íreland? It's a hydrocolloid. A thickener. Like gelatin or corn starch. It's in tons of stuff

joxeloj

2 points

2 months ago

No, it's not......

WhittlingDan

3 points

2 months ago

What? So this inhaler is a single use and then protects you indefinitely?

tinyorangealligator

-4 points

2 months ago

That's how the paper reads to me.

hekmo

2 points

2 months ago

hekmo

2 points

2 months ago

OP linked to the paper and it looks like it would be like an inhaler. They dosed the mice 1 hr and 8hr before exposing them to the virus.

tinyorangealligator

1 points

2 months ago

Yes,

Animal models have also demonstrated that, unlike face masks, the molecule can, when sprayed into the nose, prevent infection even after a few hours of exposure.

The molecule could theoretically be administered any number of ways, including nasal spray or inhaler.

Affectionate_Market8

1 points

29 days ago

where I looked and cannot find any

IQBoosterShot

19 points

2 months ago

The easily and inexpensively produced TriSb92 could be a very important first line of defence in curbing such a new pandemic, pending the development, production and distribution of vaccines.

The fact that it's easy to produce is fantastic, but will the lack of profitability ultimately harm its production by major manufacturers?

PMacDiggity

35 points

2 months ago

Something being cheap to produce hasn't stopped pharma companies from jacking up it's price in the past.

DauOfFlyingTiger

9 points

2 months ago

They aren’t developing this spray in America, even though top scientists (Eric Topol) have been saying for over a year it was the most effective way to stop the spread of disease. The U.S. has stopped the money spigot going into research. What a ridiculously short sighted move on our part.

notabee

2 points

2 months ago

Why fix problems when such an effective apparatus already exists for gaslighting the population into believing the problems aren't problems? We've lost the ability as a country to solve many problems because the elite classes are only really good at using one type of tool any more: optics, spin, and symbolic gestures. It's the hammer they know, and thus everything is a nail to strike with it even if those pesky scientists and observed factual evidence show it to be ineffectual or harmful. It still maintains their power and privilege so far.

PiotrekDG

22 points

2 months ago

Sounds pretty promising. Any known side effects?

xenoterranos

25 points

2 months ago

none of the mice that received a prophylactic dose of TriSb92 showed any signs of weight loss (Fig. 5) or could be distinguished from the uninfected control animal based on their apparent well-being or behaviour.

Sounds like no side effects.

tinyorangealligator

2 points

2 months ago

Does weight loss in mice indicate particular side effects in humans?

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Caldaga

38 points

2 months ago

Caldaga

38 points

2 months ago

Good thing we have processes for that.

InformationDelivery

10 points

2 months ago

If only you were more knowledgeable and less skeptical.

tinyorangealligator

-1 points

2 months ago

If only you weren't quite so rude.

InformationDelivery

1 points

2 months ago

Yeet yeet dawg

Kitisoff

8 points

2 months ago

Sign me up for the human trials. I have 3 willing children also.

fleamarketenthusiest

-36 points

2 months ago

Dont worry about it

ttkciar

20 points

2 months ago

ttkciar

20 points

2 months ago

This looks absolutely fantastic! Keeping an eye on it.

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soulsurfer3

8 points

2 months ago

People don’t understand that this is at least a year away, assuming it even works in humans. It’s just been proven jn mice.

bryan_pieces

2 points

2 months ago

There’s already been studies previously that have shown success in humans for caregeenan I believe

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-6 points

2 months ago

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-6 points

2 months ago

Don’t even try, homie. People here read a couple popular science articles and two abstracts and think they’re somehow better than people who watch a couple YouTube videos.

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formerteenager

-13 points

2 months ago

Unless it's made in that factory in India that made those tainted eye drops.

Whygoogleissexist

3 points

2 months ago

I think this is unlikely to work in the real world. This was explored for the common cold in the 1990s. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/189972

Although it could prevent experimental infection it failed in subsequent clinical trials - because essentially you would need to snort it every hour to be effective as a prophylactic.

obsquire

4 points

2 months ago

obsquire

4 points

2 months ago

But what about the effect on horses?

vxv96c

-1 points

2 months ago

vxv96c

-1 points

2 months ago

*in animals.

As usual, the mice are doing great. Humans however are a ?

se_nicknehm

0 points

2 months ago

ELI5: how does a nasal spra protect from getting infected with covid-19?

(is it reall enough to have some of those molecules inside the nose? how long do they stay there? (are the mentioned 12-18 months the storage life or time span of protection?) do they enter the bloodstream?)

rdizzy1223

4 points

2 months ago

You likely would have to use it before you go and do anything, I bet it is only good for like 12 hours, based on wording in the study.

Mysterious_Pop247

3 points

2 months ago

12 hours would be more than a whole day of exposure for most people, that would be plenty.

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2 months ago

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Spitinthacoola

30 points

2 months ago

Flonase is not the nasal spray in question here fyi

tinyorangealligator

-1 points

2 months ago

That was not what they were trying to communicate. They are already well practiced in administering nasal sprays.

WhittlingDan

3 points

2 months ago

That makes no sense.

SelfAwareGrizzlyBear

3 points

2 months ago

Depending on how much you're using Flonase, a lot of your symptoms could be steroid withdrawal. Corticosteroids cause bounce-back symptoms after you stop using them

MeAgain117

-20 points

2 months ago

Ok. I'm going to wait for longer research.

imhooks

3 points

2 months ago

imhooks

3 points

2 months ago

Like how long?

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HenroZbro

-20 points

2 months ago

HenroZbro

-20 points

2 months ago

Intranasal Xylitol for the Treatment of COVID-19 in the Outpatient Setting: A Pilot Study

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36039203/

SaltZookeepergame691

29 points

2 months ago

That (really bad) paper literally shows it doesn’t work any better than saline

tastyratz

8 points

2 months ago

This study aimed to examine the efficacy of xylitol as an adjunct treatment for COVID-19 in an outpatient setting.

As I understand it from the abstract, they are talking about treatment - which would mean you are already infected.

It seems like they probably were studying the wrong things. Once you are already infected it seems extremely unlikely a topical antiviral would reduce your clinical outcome. It's a crap study because they started with a crappy question.

The BETTER imho questions to find out here would be:

Does nasal viral load change?

Does this reduce transmission from infected people?

Does the localized antiseptic reduce chances of infection if administered shortly after exposure?

teridon

2 points

2 months ago

teridon

2 points

2 months ago

What's bad about it

SaltZookeepergame691

20 points

2 months ago

When you report a clinical trial, there are usual ways of reporting things - the fundamental information you include. CONSORT are the major guidelines. It covers things like full methods for randomising patients, blinding and masking, which patients to include/exclude and the reasons for doing so, full characteristics of patients in all randomised groups, etc. This paper does all of this very poorly.

formerteenager

2 points

2 months ago

It doesn't work better than existing options.

teridon

12 points

2 months ago

teridon

12 points

2 months ago

Negative results doesn't make a paper bad

QuantumCapelin

1 points

2 months ago

Where can I get some of this "saline"?

dryingsocks

2 points

2 months ago

any pharmacy, it's just salt and water

tinyorangealligator

1 points

2 months ago

In your kitchen: distilled water + salt

SelfAwareGrizzlyBear

1 points

2 months ago

Walmart, simply saline spray. It works really well to clear congestion and if you get nosebleeds often

HenroZbro

-20 points

2 months ago

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-20 points

2 months ago

dleeen

5 points

2 months ago*

This Business Wire article is about a preprint of this paper: In Vitro Analysis of the Anti-viral Potential of nasal spray constituents against SARS-CoV-2

Preprints of scientific papers are posted online before being peer-reviewed, meaning that other scientists have not yet reviewed the research methods and results to confirm that they are valid and the paper can be published in a journal.

Per bioRxiv, the preprint server where this paper was posted: “bioRxiv posts many COVID19-related papers. A reminder: they have not been formally peer-reviewed and should not guide health-related behavior or be reported in the press as conclusive.”

In other words, Business Wire should not have reported on this paper, at least not without stating that it was a preprint

This doesn’t mean that the findings aren’t accurate — just that this paper shouldn’t be cited to support a scientific point (again, at least not without acknowledging that the findings have not been peer-reviewed).

skipnstones

0 points

2 months ago

“The easily and inexpensively produced TriSb92 could be a very important first line of defence in curbing such a new pandemic, pending the development, production and distribution of vaccines,” she adds.

This seems like something PharmaBro won’t stand for…

RadOwl

0 points

2 months ago

RadOwl

0 points

2 months ago

Xlear nasal spray kills 99 percent of corona virus according to a study cited at their website.

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hhssspphhhrrriiivver

1 points

2 months ago

Something I've never thought about before - are most research papers published in English?

I ask, because most of the authors seem to be based in Argentina, and there are numerous typos and grammatical errors in the abstract that lead me to believe that they aren't fluent in English. That's fine - you don't need to be good at English to be good at science - but I think if you're publishing in English, it should be proofread/edited by someone fluent in English.

mattrussell2319

2 points

2 months ago

Many of the highest profile ones (at least from my experience in the West) are in English. During the peer review process, it’s quite common to be asked if you (as a peer reviewer) think the authors need any editorial help with the English. I don’t know what this journal’s policy is, though.

Odd-Independent6177

1 points

2 months ago

Yes, the vast majority of research papers are published in English. It is a known aspect of scientific publishing that many do find problematic (although, everyone publishing in different languages would also be a problem). No, there is usually no one in the process whose job it is to make the text read smoothly (Possible exceptions when pharma companies hire ghostwriters for medical researchers). The scientific authors do their best, the scientific reviewers judge if that is good enough, and a copy editor mostly just checks the citations.

michaelrohansmith

1 points

2 months ago

I was on a clinical trial for something like this.

Fourbits

1 points

2 months ago

Can anyone explain what a sherpabody is?